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August 20, 2009

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Jae Ellers

Just had the same scenario a couple months back. 2x boxen are so much less expensive especially in a blade environment. The only caveat with these 2xQuads are big workloads.

Also had another customer who's previous Virt. 'VAR' recommended HP BL680s for *slots* and only put in 2 procs and filled it with 2GB dimms. So it can't be upgraded without pitching the RAM and uses double the chassis space. What a waste of real estate and money.

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Hey, so I looked it up - the enterprise licenses allow for 12 core CPUs (vs 6 core) http://www.vmware.com/download/eula/multicore.html
Now if vmware could just figure out how to manage the licensing - upgrading 3.5 to vSphere licenses has been a nightmare of surprise lapsed support - confusion and delays
Every week vmware finds a few more licenses we are owed and they randomly throw us other department's license codes and give ours to other depts...

Hans Jacobsen

Why Dell R710 vs Dell R610 in the analysis, I wonder? You can get the same CPUs and memory in a 1U footprint, without as much local disk, which many virtualization users don't really use anyway.

Steve Kaplan (@ROIdude)

Hans, What model, other than blades, uses the 5500 series in 1U?

Steve Kaplan (@ROIdude)

Hi Fletcher, please let Lori or me know if we can be of any assistance.

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I don't know much about virtual networking but i am pretty sure whatever they have done they might have done for reason.

Aubrey Williams

Comparing 4.0 with 3.5 benchmarks is definitely misleading as these are very different VmWare builds.

Furthermore, even if the r710s provided better performance per vm, the assertion of higher density here is further misleading. Consider that as your density is increased, so with there be an increasing need for more sockets to support higher redundancy, scalability and fault tolerance. We use 12 nics, and 2 dual chan ports on our ESX servers, with room for expansion.

The r710s cannot compare to the expandibility of the r900s in the enterprise scalability department.

Steve Kaplanste

Aubrey, thanks for your comments. I had a similar concern about vSphere which is why I also linked to the vMark comparison with the 4-CPU R905. The results were very similar to the 4-CPU R910 running ESX 3.5, which indicates to me that the density factor isn't significant. This was further validated during a presentation of Ron Oglesby (Dell Sr Virtualization Consultant) at Virtualization Congress 2009 in which he showed a Dell chart listing the 2-CPU R910 has handling more VMs than the 4-CPUR900. Regarding your comment on the 12 NICs and 2 dual channel ports on your ESX servers - wow. My suggestion, as discussed in the article, would be to evaluate using Cisco's UCS. This should give you the ports you require while still enabling a savings in Microsoft licensing, cabling, etc.

craig

you may had missed out the point when you come to server management issue. Imagine you need to patch 30 ESX hosts but the others will only require to patch 15. I will say that case by case basis will make the best situation to decide which model to go. Enterprise environment may have different consideration, as 6 cores is meant physical core, which Intel 5500 series is more on logical core. Performance is going to meant more when it come to real life experience. Just my 2 cents here.

Steve Kaplan (@ROIdude)

Craig, I don't understand your comment about server management. UCS, because of its increased memory and faster I/O capabilities, as well as its exlusive usage of Intel Nehalem processors, has as high, or much more likely higher, density factor than any other server platform.

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